In Greece today it seems, unfortunately, that people are willing to accept just about everything. There is no other way to explain what is happening in the country. We are talking about a situation and a mentality which is deserving of scientific analysis. For years now, the majority of the Greek people have accepted, without much of a fight if at all, the first memorandum agreement, the interim memorandum agreement, the second memorandum, and the complete betrayal of the July 5th, 2015 referendum result and the passage of the third memorandum agreement, by the supposedly radical and leftist SYRIZA government.
Ah, but I forgot. Greece has been “saved,” again and again and again. We are told that Europe is giving Greece money, to “bail out” the country, that Greece has averted bankruptcy, and all of this while Greece, of course, remains “in Europe” and part of the vaunted European family and the Eurozone. Greece is being saved, day after day, allowing its people to live the so-called “European dream.”
Each year, on the 25th of March, Greeks around the world commemorate the beginning of the Greek revolution against the Ottoman Empire. A commemoration which is closely tied into Greece’s national and cultural identity, and with the freedom and independence of the modern Greek state, after 400 years of occupation by the Ottomans.
But which independence and which sovereignty are we actually talking about here? The result of the Greek revolution of 1821 may well have been the end of 400 years of Turkish occupation and control, but what followed since then and what continues until today is a different sort of occupation, a political and economic occupation and increasingly a cultural one as well. Modern Greece has never been an independent or sovereign state. It has been a colony and protectorate of the Bavarians, who soon after Greece regained so-called “independence” brought in their royal families to rule Greece. Greece was a colony and protectorate of the British, who did what they do best, employing divide and conquer techniques against the Greek people in order to assert control and dominance, as was the case immediately after the end of World War II, when the British turned their backs on the rebels who resisted Nazi occupation and sided with far-right, fascist, criminal elements who had been Nazi collaborators. Greece has been a colony and protectorate of the United States, who brought in so-called “patriotic” elements into power in the 1950s while emptying the country of its educated youth at the time, and who later on brought a full-fledged military dictatorship to Greece, in the name of freedom and democracy of course. And since 1981, Greece has been a bona fide colony of the European Union and later the Eurozone.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with Antti Pesonen of Finland’s Independence Party. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of March 17-23, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is Antti Pesonen. Antti is the former chairman of the Independence Party of Finland, a party which advocates, among other things, the withdrawal of Finland from the European Union and the Eurozone. He will speak to us about the movement that he is a part of, what has been happening in Finland, how Eurozone membership and EU policies have impacted the country, and he will share with us his take as to what has been happening in Greece and throughout the European continent. Antti, thank you very much for joining us today.
AP: Hi, and thanks very much for this opportunity.
MN: To begin, share with us a few words about the Independence Party, how it began, its history, and what it stands for.
It is pretty clear that humanity, and certainly the Greek people, have not yet had enough of so-called saviors. This is the conclusion that I am forced to reach after watching the latest Greek political “hero” Zoe Konstantopoulou being paraded from one major Greek media outlet to another, leading up to the launch of her new political movement.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with economist, analyst, author, and former United States undersecretary of the treasury Paul Craig Roberts. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of March 3-9, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is economist, author, and columnist Paul Craig Roberts. Dr. Roberts is a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for the United States, a former editor for the Wall Street Journal, and is a contributor to a number of other publications. He has written over 20 peer-reviewed articles and over a dozen books, with his most recent book titled “The Neoconservative Threat to World Order: Washington’s Perilous War for Hegemony.” Dr. Roberts, thank you for being with us today.
PCR: Pleased to be with you.
MN: Let’s look first at the topic of Greece and everything that has been happening to the country in recent years. You have written that Greece is under foreign occupation. Explain to our listeners why you believe this is the case.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with international lawyer and professor Francis Boyle of the University of Illinois. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of February 18-24, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is international lawyer and professor of international law at The University of Illinois Dr. Francis Boyle. Boyle has served as legal counsel to the Palestinian Authority, to Hawaiian independence groups, and served on the legal team which led to the conviction of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for war crimes. Professor Boyle, welcome to our program today.
FB: Well, thank you very much for having me on, and my best to all my friends in Greece. Great country, great people. I spent about two weeks traveling around in 1974, and another two weeks traveling around in 1982.
MN: Wonderful…well, let’s get started by talking about the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission and the case which led to the conviction of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez and others in absentia for war crimes. Tell us about this commission, and about this case that you were a part of, and its aftermath.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with Mona Amanatidou and Christos Triarchis of the Popular Stoppage of Payments movement in Greece. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of February 4-10, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is Mona Amanatidou and Christos Triarhis from Greece’s Popular Stoppage of Payments movement, who will speak to us about this movement and what it is all about, and in addition, about the social and political developments in Greece today. Mona and Christo, thank you for joining us today.
MA: Thank you for calling us from New York and giving us the opportunity to say a few words about what were are doing here in Iraklio.
MN: To begin, share with us a few words about how the Popular Stoppage of Payments movement first began, and a brief historical overview of your movement.
Once again, Greece is experiencing a time of political and social uncertainty, a time where yet again many citizens have begun to search for a new political savior, one that will pull Greece out of its current economic abyss and provide the promise of “hope” and “change”, putting an end to the crisis and placing Greece back on a path towards growth and better days.
This is highly similar to what was taking place in Greece just over a year ago, when millions of people within and outside of Greece believed that SYRIZA could comprise this sort of political force. And they believed this purely on the basis of rhetoric and promises. The big promises made by Alexis Tsipras and the rest of SYRIZA regarding the abolition of the austerity measures with one law and one article, the supposedly anti-austerity Thessaloniki policy platform, the tearing apart of the memorandum agreements, promises, promises and yet more promises from SYRIZA, including promises that all of these wonderful things could take place firmly within the confines of the European Union and the Eurozone, and that SYRIZA, when in power, would indeed manage to change Europe!
It has been one year since the elections which brought SYRIZA to power in Greece for the first time. One year from the time where millions of people in Greece and around the world took to the streets to celebrate the “hope” and “change” and the “end of austerity” that were to surely follow from the so-called “first time left” government in Greece, which we were told would not just save Greece, but all of Europe and indeed the world. One year from the time that the same media which have served and continue to serve as pro-austerity cheerleaders, and clueless academic leftists, were telling us that a government of hope and change had finally arrived.
Time to do a little compare and contrast. Let’s say we have the national governments of two different countries. Government A claims that it is a “radical leftist” government and promised its voters “hope” and “change,” while pledging to immediately abolish the austerity policies which had thrown millions of people into poverty and the economy into an unprecedented depression. Government A then goes ahead and shatters its pre-election pledges and turns its back on a referendum result overwhelmingly rejecting proposed new austerity measures, instead signing an agreement which will implement even harsher austerity terms versus those which had been rejected. Somehow, Government A, after doing all of this, gets re-elected anyway, albeit with almost half of the voters abstaining.
Long ago, the Italian business mogul Gianni Agnelli made a statement which has remained in history. Agnelli, who is not noted for his own leftist politics, had stated that there is a certain kind of “left wing” which is more useful than the right wing. It is the left wing that can accomplish all of those things that the right wing wouldn’t dare to do.
It is with these prophetic words that we turn to the harsh political realities of today, where a supposed left-wing party which was, indeed, rewarded with re-election just a few weeks ago is getting ready to implement all sorts of measures that not even the previous corrupt governments in Greece had dared enforce. And all this with the approval of a sizeable amount of brainwashed Greek voters, who continue to criticize the previous ruling parties, New Democracy and PASOK, but who find one excuse after another to justify SYRIZA’s actions, claiming that it is still looking out for the Greek people, that it did not actually want to sign such an agreement with the troika but had no other choice, that they deserve a chance to deliver on their promises.
On this week’s Dialogos Radio broadcast, we had the opportunity to feature an interview with someone who, according to a so-called journalist at a fairly well-known Greek online news outlet, does not exist. Déborah Berman-Santana, the retired professor who was interviewed on Dialogos Radio, apparently is not a real person, but a figment of my imagination, someone who I created to make it seem like Dialogos Radio has a following on the internet. This from a journalist who has had articles about Greece featured on the front page of the New York Times, just to give an idea of the quality and caliber of journalists who are doing the reporting from Greece.
Dialogos Radio’s recent radio interview with journalist and political analyst Dimitri Lascaris of The Real News Network has been featured in Truthout! In this interview, Lascaris analyzes the results of the snap parliamentary elections held in Greece on September 20, the implications of these results for Greece, and he discusses his own candidacy in the upcoming Canadian parliamentary elections.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with analyst and journalist Dimitri Lascaris of The Real News Network, who spoke with us about the results of the Greek parliamentary elections of September 20, and his own candidacy in the Canadian parliamentary elections. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of September 24-30, 2015. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is political analyst and journalist Dimitri Lascaris of The Real News Network. Dimitri analyzes Greek and international politics, and he is also a candidate with the Green Party in the upcoming Canadian parliamentary elections. Dimitri, thank you for joining us today.
DL: My pleasure, Michael.
MN: Getting us started, after a tumultuous political summer in Greece where we saw the SYRIZA-led government turn its back on the referendum result of July 5th, where Greek voters resoundingly rejected austerity, we saw those same Greek voters bring SYRIZA back to power, with barely a decline in its share of the vote compared to January’s elections. Are you surprised by this result?
As it turns out, there was no hope, and that was plainly evident after the historic referendum of July 5th in Greece. As the SYRIZA-led Greek government was preparing to sell out the result of the referendum and to agree to an even harsher set of austerity measures than that which had just been rejected, the amount of protesters who congregated at Syntagma Square in Athens barely reached 2,000, a far cry from the huge rallies in support of the “no” vote prior to the referendum. Why was this the case? This was the case because prior to the referendum, SYRIZA and its governing partner, the Independent Greeks, made a big show of supposed “resistance” and mobilized tens of thousands of Greeks to come out and rally in support of no. Immediately after the referendum though, the shepherds did not lead the herd back out onto the streets, and without a shepherd, the Greek people won’t go any further than to their local cafe to drink their frappe.
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