Transcripción de la entrevista de Radio Dialogos con el economista y secretario general del Frente Unido Popular de Grecia (EPAM) Dimitris Kazakis. Esta entrevista se emitió en nuestras transmisiones para la semana del 14-20 de abril de 2016. Encuentra el podcast de esta entrevista aquí (en inglés).
Nota de la traductora, Déborah Berman Santana: Esta es la transcripción (traducida al español) de la entrevista realizada en abril 2016 por la emisora “Diálogos Media Radio” (http://dialogosmedia.org/) con el economista, analista y secretario general de La Frente Unida Popular de Grecia (EPAM), Dimitris Kazakis. EPAM fue fundada durante el verando de 2011 en los campamentos de los indignados, en resistencia contra el primer acuerdo del gobierno con los acreedores de la deuda. Las demandas son: 1. Repudio unilateral de la deuda de acuerdo con el derecho internacional; 2. Cancelación de todos los memorandos y los tratados internacionales firmados desde 2010 con el FMI, la UE y el BCE; 3. Salida de la Unión Europea y la zona euro, y un retorno a la moneda nacional; 4. Nacionalización de los principales bancos a partir del Banco de Grecia, con el fin de controlar la economía, para redefinir la política de crédito y para controlar el tráfico de la capital; 5. Juicio y castigo de todos los responsables de la quiebra y la pérdida de la soberanía del país; 6. Nueva Constitución basada en la defensa de la plena soberanía nacional del pueblo de Grecia.
Traducido por Déborah B. Santana
MN: Para acompañarnos hoy en Dialogos Radio es el economista, analista, y secretario general del Frente Unido Popular de Grecia (EPAM) Dimitris Kazakis, que nos hablará hoy sobre los últimos acontecimientos económicos y políticos en Grecia y sobre la candente cuestión de la crisis de los refugiados y migrantes en Grecia y Europa. Dimitri, gracias por estar con nosotros una vez más.
DK: Gracias por recibirme.
MN: Antes de discutir la evolución económica en Grecia, vamos a hablar primero sobre la crisis migratoria y de refugiados. Usted ha hablado mucho sobre este tema y quería empezar por preguntar por el reciente acuerdo entre la Unión Europea y Turquía, que fue co-firmado por el gobierno griego. ¿Es este acuerdo legal y es ejecutable, y qué dice el derecho internacional sobre el tema?
Dialogos Radio’s recent interview with economist, author, columnist, and former undersecretary of the United States Treasury Paul Craig Roberts has recently been featured in Truthout! In this interview, Dr. Roberts talks about Greece and the issues of debt, privatizations, and the need for the country to leave the Eurozone, while Dr. Roberts also discusses global geopolitical trends and presents his analysis regarding the upcoming presidential elections in the United States.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with Despina Kreatsoulas, the co-founder of the Politismos Museum of Greek History. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of March 31-April 6, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is Despina Kreatsoulas, co-founder of the Politismos Museum, a recently-launched online museum of Greek history and culture. Despina will speak to us about the museum, the idea behind it, its mission and its exhibits. Despina, thank you for joining us today.
DK: Thank you so much for this opportunity, we’re happy to be here with you today.
MN: Share with us some words about how the idea for an online museum of Greek history and culture came about, and how the Politismos Museum was founded.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with the economist and General Secretary of Greece’s United Popular Front (EPAM) Dimitris Kazakis. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of April 14-20, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is economist, analyst, and the general secretary of Greece’s United Popular Front Dimitris Kazakis, who will speak to us today about the latest economic and political developments in Greece and about the hot-button issue of the refugee and migrant crisis in Greece and Europe. Dimitri, thank you for joining us once again.
DK: Thank you for having me.
MN: Before discussing economic developments in Greece, let’s first speak about the refugee and migrant crisis. You have spoken extensively about this issue and I wanted to begin by asking you about the recent deal that was reached between the European Union and Turkey, which was co-signed by the Greek government. Is this agreement legal and is it enforceable, and what does international law have to say about the issue?
In Greece today it seems, unfortunately, that people are willing to accept just about everything. There is no other way to explain what is happening in the country. We are talking about a situation and a mentality which is deserving of scientific analysis. For years now, the majority of the Greek people have accepted, without much of a fight if at all, the first memorandum agreement, the interim memorandum agreement, the second memorandum, and the complete betrayal of the July 5th, 2015 referendum result and the passage of the third memorandum agreement, by the supposedly radical and leftist SYRIZA government.
Ah, but I forgot. Greece has been “saved,” again and again and again. We are told that Europe is giving Greece money, to “bail out” the country, that Greece has averted bankruptcy, and all of this while Greece, of course, remains “in Europe” and part of the vaunted European family and the Eurozone. Greece is being saved, day after day, allowing its people to live the so-called “European dream.”
Each year, on the 25th of March, Greeks around the world commemorate the beginning of the Greek revolution against the Ottoman Empire. A commemoration which is closely tied into Greece’s national and cultural identity, and with the freedom and independence of the modern Greek state, after 400 years of occupation by the Ottomans.
But which independence and which sovereignty are we actually talking about here? The result of the Greek revolution of 1821 may well have been the end of 400 years of Turkish occupation and control, but what followed since then and what continues until today is a different sort of occupation, a political and economic occupation and increasingly a cultural one as well. Modern Greece has never been an independent or sovereign state. It has been a colony and protectorate of the Bavarians, who soon after Greece regained so-called “independence” brought in their royal families to rule Greece. Greece was a colony and protectorate of the British, who did what they do best, employing divide and conquer techniques against the Greek people in order to assert control and dominance, as was the case immediately after the end of World War II, when the British turned their backs on the rebels who resisted Nazi occupation and sided with far-right, fascist, criminal elements who had been Nazi collaborators. Greece has been a colony and protectorate of the United States, who brought in so-called “patriotic” elements into power in the 1950s while emptying the country of its educated youth at the time, and who later on brought a full-fledged military dictatorship to Greece, in the name of freedom and democracy of course. And since 1981, Greece has been a bona fide colony of the European Union and later the Eurozone.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with Antti Pesonen of Finland’s Independence Party. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of March 17-23, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is Antti Pesonen. Antti is the former chairman of the Independence Party of Finland, a party which advocates, among other things, the withdrawal of Finland from the European Union and the Eurozone. He will speak to us about the movement that he is a part of, what has been happening in Finland, how Eurozone membership and EU policies have impacted the country, and he will share with us his take as to what has been happening in Greece and throughout the European continent. Antti, thank you very much for joining us today.
AP: Hi, and thanks very much for this opportunity.
MN: To begin, share with us a few words about the Independence Party, how it began, its history, and what it stands for.
It is pretty clear that humanity, and certainly the Greek people, have not yet had enough of so-called saviors. This is the conclusion that I am forced to reach after watching the latest Greek political “hero” Zoe Konstantopoulou being paraded from one major Greek media outlet to another, leading up to the launch of her new political movement.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with economist, analyst, author, and former United States undersecretary of the treasury Paul Craig Roberts. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of March 3-9, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is economist, author, and columnist Paul Craig Roberts. Dr. Roberts is a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for the United States, a former editor for the Wall Street Journal, and is a contributor to a number of other publications. He has written over 20 peer-reviewed articles and over a dozen books, with his most recent book titled “The Neoconservative Threat to World Order: Washington’s Perilous War for Hegemony.” Dr. Roberts, thank you for being with us today.
PCR: Pleased to be with you.
MN: Let’s look first at the topic of Greece and everything that has been happening to the country in recent years. You have written that Greece is under foreign occupation. Explain to our listeners why you believe this is the case.
The “first time leftist” government in Greece did it again! Having promised prior to its initial election last year that it would “go after” Greece’s oligarch media owners, the government recently passed a law which, it claims, will put an end to 26 years of anarchy in Greece’s television landscape.
There is, however, a problem. This new law and the television licensing bid that the Greek government has recently announced and made such a big deal of, will not put an end to this so-called anarchy. It will not go after the oligarchs and media mavens. It will not restore order in the television landscape. Instead, what this new law will do is concentrate even more media power in the hands of the few, while giving the government a tremendous amount of power and control over the media landscape. This is a law that will also set a dangerous precedent which could then be expanded to Greece’s local television stations, to the radio landscape, and to the internet.
Dialogos Radio’s recent interview with members of Greece’s Popular Stoppage of Payments movement has been featured in Truthout! Read about this movement and its efforts to stop bank foreclosures and auctions of homes in Greece, in this interesting and timely interview.
It was a little over three years ago when I personally had the opportunity to travel to the heart of the beast: a week-long visit to EU institutions and to NATO, as part of an academic program I was invited to participate in. This was a week that was full of misery for me but which was nevertheless beneficial in that it was remarkably eye-opening. Hearing statements made by EU and NATO officials about Greece and hearing their viewpoints about such quaint notions as democracy were truly telling and spoke volumes about the regard with which these principles are upheld within these institutions. At the meetings that I attended, a number of very revealing statements were made by the EU and NATO technocrats who spoke to us, statements which I took note of, including the following highlights:
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with international lawyer and professor Francis Boyle of the University of Illinois. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of February 18-24, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is international lawyer and professor of international law at The University of Illinois Dr. Francis Boyle. Boyle has served as legal counsel to the Palestinian Authority, to Hawaiian independence groups, and served on the legal team which led to the conviction of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for war crimes. Professor Boyle, welcome to our program today.
FB: Well, thank you very much for having me on, and my best to all my friends in Greece. Great country, great people. I spent about two weeks traveling around in 1974, and another two weeks traveling around in 1982.
MN: Wonderful…well, let’s get started by talking about the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission and the case which led to the conviction of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez and others in absentia for war crimes. Tell us about this commission, and about this case that you were a part of, and its aftermath.
The transcript of Dialogos Radio’s interview with Mona Amanatidou and Christos Triarchis of the Popular Stoppage of Payments movement in Greece. This interview aired on our broadcasts for the week of February 4-10, 2016. Find the podcast of this interview here.
MN: Joining us today on Dialogos Radio and the Dialogos Interview Series is Mona Amanatidou and Christos Triarhis from Greece’s Popular Stoppage of Payments movement, who will speak to us about this movement and what it is all about, and in addition, about the social and political developments in Greece today. Mona and Christo, thank you for joining us today.
MA: Thank you for calling us from New York and giving us the opportunity to say a few words about what were are doing here in Iraklio.
MN: To begin, share with us a few words about how the Popular Stoppage of Payments movement first began, and a brief historical overview of your movement.
Once again, Greece is experiencing a time of political and social uncertainty, a time where yet again many citizens have begun to search for a new political savior, one that will pull Greece out of its current economic abyss and provide the promise of “hope” and “change”, putting an end to the crisis and placing Greece back on a path towards growth and better days.
This is highly similar to what was taking place in Greece just over a year ago, when millions of people within and outside of Greece believed that SYRIZA could comprise this sort of political force. And they believed this purely on the basis of rhetoric and promises. The big promises made by Alexis Tsipras and the rest of SYRIZA regarding the abolition of the austerity measures with one law and one article, the supposedly anti-austerity Thessaloniki policy platform, the tearing apart of the memorandum agreements, promises, promises and yet more promises from SYRIZA, including promises that all of these wonderful things could take place firmly within the confines of the European Union and the Eurozone, and that SYRIZA, when in power, would indeed manage to change Europe!
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